LOOK AT THIS COMMENT ABOUT ISLAMIC CULT FPI.ITS ALL ABOUT BLAMING ISRAELY AND CIA .WHAY DONT BLAME ON ISLAM ITS SELF? BUT THIS IS THE DEMOCRASY .ONLY YOU CAN MAKE A SIMPLE NOTES THAT ALL THIS PEOPLE ARE FPI FOLLOWERS FEEL A SHAME ON ISLAM BUT SPEECHLESS.FPI IS A CULT FROM EVIL ARAB HISTORY .HERE IS ANOTHER FACES OF ARAB NATIONALITY IN CHARGE AND DRIVE THE LUNATIC/UNEDUCATED JAVANESE ISLAM MEMBERS

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:uFEFDqpc-Nzu3M:http://www.myrmnews.com/images/foto/normal/772956-03533728122005%40Anti-Judi-1.gifhttp://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:uGuiukhJJYB2GM:http://www.westernresistance.com/images/Thalib2.jpghttps://i0.wp.com/www.indonesiamatters.com/pictures/fpi-2.jpghttps://i1.wp.com/www.indonesiamatters.com/images/munarman.jpg Yet another Habib, Habib Ali of FPI Surabaya is “persuaded” to disband the branch.
HIS NAME IS HABIB. LOOK AT HIM .ABSOLUTLY AN ARAB EVIL MAN INVADED JAVANESE ISLAM MEMBERS.NO WONDER ISLAM IN INDONESIA BAD TASTE AND BAD REPUTATION.WONT BE SUPPRISED AT ALL.ISLAM HATE EVERYTHING FROM THE WEST .BUT THEY LOVE TO USE IT.SO WHAT IS THE PROBLEMS?JERK ASS.SPEAK UP MEN.

READ THIS FPI FOLLOWER SAYS ABOUT THEIR HEROS.NEARLY EVERY ONE TELLING BLAME ON ISRAELY AND CIA.PULLING THEIR DICK OFF WHY NOT THE FPI CULT DICK SUCKER GIVE A BLOW JOBS TO THE CIA OR ISRAELY INSTEAD? WHAT A STUNT BUT NOT FUNNY AT ALL

42 Comments on “FPI, Komando Laskar Islam & Munarman”
Adian Husaini Says:

June 4th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
I knew Munarman when both of us worked with YLBHI, Indonenesian Legal Aid Foundation. He was YLBI’s pain in the ass, not in the positive side, but on the negative side. He attacked the late Munir and accused Munir for corrupting Kontras, money, which was Munir’s award money. Munir had agreement with Kontras to contribute 20% od the money for Kontras.
Munarman also made many donors angry with him and cut donors’ support to YLBHI. YLBHI was on the brink of collapse.
Alhamdulillah, thank god, Munarman joins FPI, Hizbut Tahrir and the problem was shifted to them ha..ha..ha…

serenity Says:

June 4th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
That foto is wrong, Tempo official already corrected it: link: http://www.myrmnews.com/indexframe.php?url=situsberita/index.php?pilih=lihat_edisi_website&id=58523. Munarman did not choke AKKBB partisant. I don’t think you should publish it also. LoL on the top post.

bambang sutopo Says:

June 4th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
With all due respect for the above username, please don’t use other’s name else. You can choose either yourself or simply anonymous.

ultratupai Says:

June 5th, 2008 at 3:34 am
When I told my wife about this her comment was “stupid muslims!” She is muslim, her father is an official for MUI and she knows what she is talking about having walked across the war zone in Ambon.

Yes, stupid muslims!

janma Says:

June 5th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Yeah, but aren’t they now saying they can’t keep them and they are letting them all go…. what’s this about not being able to hold anyone for a sentence of under five years????? I don’t understand????

janma Says:

June 5th, 2008 at 10:23 am
so if it’s not him choking AKKBB paricipant who is he choking???

Rambutan Says:

June 5th, 2008 at 10:31 am
He choked one of his own people, allegedly to stop him from attacking AKKBB. Poor stupid guy – young, jobless, joined FPI two months ago. I guess that describes the average FPI thug perfectly.
Anyway, finally the government acted. I was screaming with joy when I watched TV seeing the FPI thugs detained by Brimob and Densus88. Deeply satisfying!

pj_bali Says:

June 5th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
I really hope the government follows up the arrests with trials and (lengthy)prison terms. The actions of this group clearly show the type of indonesia we would enjoy if they were running things.

GJ Says:

June 5th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Agh!! detained and prosecuted are to very different things. We will have to wait a little long to see if justice prevails. Fingers crossed.

Anonymous Says:

June 6th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Many of you ain’t muslim is it ?
Then try to give an oppinion about the thing you don’t really know exactly !?
And for muslim brothers, have you ever had learned about tauhid or islam’s rules ?
I believe those things is right for the sake, but just the way they did it is wrong !

Rambutan Says:

June 6th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Well, Mr Anonymous, we’re talking about FPI attacking and beating up people who held a peaceful demonstration. Do we have to be Muslims to exactly understand the issue of attacking and beating people? Explain!

Lairedion Says:

June 6th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Mr. Anonymous,

We can have an opinion on whatever we want. That’s the beauty of free speech and the internet. But I acknowledge Islam does have a problem with freedom, free speech and freedom in general.

Andrey Says:

June 8th, 2008 at 5:33 am
yes, but there is this little problem about who defines freedom or human right.
as you know, the so holy UN declaration of universal human right was drafted and declared by winners of WW2 (mostly western, mainly christian population).. so much about it being universal.

Hitam Tapi Cina Says:

June 8th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
@ Anonymous,

FPI is a very nice picture of religious people without common sense
and without conscience.
FPI merely transformed religious moslems into criminals, and smear the reputation of Islam as ‘the religion of peace’

Aluang Anak Bayang Says:

June 8th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
@ Cina Tapi Bodoh,

Islam do not need common sense and conscience. The quran is a complete guide for mankind.

Islam is a religion of peace without the Jews pulling strings behind. The quran warned us about it.

You have no right to talk about Islam if you are not a Muslim. Follow in the footstep of Cheng Ho and you may be considered.

Berlian Biru Says:

June 9th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Well it’s now official; the FPI are above the law.

A few years back in order to escape the macet the president’s driver decided to drive down the Busway lane in Jalan Sudirman, he was stopped and reprimanded by the police and told that under no circumstances could a non-Transjakarta vehicle use the Busway lane. Good for the police, no one’s above the law.

Today a fleet of several hundred FPI motorcyclists flooded down the Busway lane to get to some protest (I’m assuming outside the courthouse) they blocked the Transjakarta buses and snarled up the mid afternoon traffic.

Dozens of traffic cops watched this. They didn’t do a damn thing.

FPI have more power over the cops than SBY.

dewaratugedeanom Says:

June 9th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Anonymous said

And for muslim brothers, have you ever had learned about tauhid or islam’s rules ?

Islam’s rules, what’s that supposed to mean? Is this something like ‘anything goes’?

gOObers Says:

June 10th, 2008 at 12:04 am
AAB said:

Islam is a religion of peace without the Jews pulling strings behind….

Islam a “religion of peace”???? May be so…. but the Islam people are so weak and not very smart because they allowed the Jews to pull their strings!!!!! How smart the Jews!!!!!

Lotus Says:

June 10th, 2008 at 12:34 am
May compassion and selflessness touch upon munarman’s heart.

Janma Says:

June 10th, 2008 at 9:50 am
Yesterday was a sad day for Indonesia. The whole country is now at the top of a very slippery slope. A terrorist stood and threatened to create civil war if his demands were not met, and the government conceded to him. Be afraid.

Saipul Says:

June 10th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
The government should be ashamed of itself. I remember talking to one of the big-shots at BIN, telling him three years ago that the FPI would soon become the sort of freakshow terrorist outfit that we all are witnessing today. He told me that they had tried to up their spying efforts with the terrorist group, but that the PKS and a number of other Islamic parties had protested to the president and the move was abandoned. Well, I hate to say I told you so, but I did.

GJ Says:

June 10th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Hey, were these guys having coffee in Citos the other day???? Same MO.

Abdul Khalid al Jumhuri Says:

June 10th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Saipul says: “He told me that they had tried to up their spying efforts with the terrorist group, but that the PKS and a number of other Islamic parties had protested to the president and the move was abandoned.”

Now see what happened: Because BIN is banned from doing so, thefeore CIA, Mossad, and the f****ng Jews is free to do exactly that. That is not my assessment; mind you, that is the conclusion of the respected intelligent expert and a former BIN high rank official of Partai Keadilan Sejahtera (PKS) – the honorable Mr. Soeripto. If he said so, it must be right.

Therefore FPI = CIA, Mossad, f****ng Zionist.

Hitam Tapi Cina Says:

June 10th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Follow in the footstep of Cheng Ho and you may be considered.

Hai ya,
If following Cheng Ho turn me into a FPI gangster, then count me out.
I better be a peaceful agnostic than a religious terrorist.

Violence is not about religion but humanity
It does not take to be a muslim but
only common sense to know what is humanity.

Deja Vu, the circle of violence never stops in Indonesia.
No wonder Indonesia is falling apart.

Shloka Says:

June 10th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
A disproportionately large number of terrorists seem to identify with the Islamic faith and find justification for their inhuman acts in Islam. I’m not counting organizations which claim to be secular like the Palestine Liberation Operation(PLO). And they seem to carry out their violent acts in much of the world. Bombings in London, Madrid and Paris to name just a few places in Europe, 9\11 in U.S.A., bombings in Bali, seigeing schools in Russia, bombings in India, hell when they tire of bombing infidels, they bomb Muslim countries like the long reign of terror in Algeria killing thousands, Luxor bombings in Egypt or the Danish Embassy in Pakistan just a week ago. Muslims are the biggest perpetrators and victims of terrorism. Alright even if U.K. did send troops to Iraq, poor France opposed the war in Iraq. Why did the Islamists of Algeria extend their terror on Paris?

I agree that texts of most religions have violent bits, but Muslims seem to have far more difficulty than non Muslims in cherry picking the peaceful bits and ignoring the violent ones.

Marisa Says:

June 10th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
OOT. Just a suggestion:
Perhaps people, especially commenters on this site, should use the term ‘Islamist’ rather than ‘Muslim’. It’s a gesture indicating that one is not critisizing the other’s religion or faith, but more of critisizing the other’s societal and political ideology. I’m not saying that people should practice a subtle ’self censorship’, but such journalistic approach could help the readers in defining the context used in a more clearcut, less offensive, way.

Patung, what do you think? Can you implement that for your articles?
Just a suggestion though.

Saipul Says:

June 10th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Abdul Khalid al Jumhuri Says:
June 10th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

Now see what happened: Because BIN is banned from doing so, thefeore CIA, Mossad, and the f****ng Jews is free to do exactly that. That is not my assessment; mind you, that is the conclusion of the respected intelligent expert and a former BIN high rank official of Partai Keadilan Sejahtera (PKS) – the honorable Mr. Soeripto. If he said so, it must be right.

Hehe, yeah, I don’t respect or trust anyone either from the government, or BIN, or the PKS, or really any other political party at the moment. As long as basic human rights are not respected and no one does anything about it, I don’t believe any progress will be made. After spending enough time in the government, I also don’t believe in conspiracy theories. I’ve seen the sort of uneducated rice farmers that come up with theories about the CIA, Mossad, whatever. My favorite author is Machiavelli, you know him? To any question, the simplest answer is most likely the most correct. And when I saw last week when some people from the local mosque attacked a home of a widow for having a stay-over boyfriend (this mosque regularly has speakers from Yemen), I knew it wasn’t the CIA behind it.

Jibril Marpaung Says:

June 11th, 2008 at 9:36 am
Horray… manarman is back… now..after the ahmadiyah SKB rule´s. he is not a coward…
FPI and AKKBB should be disbanded.. we must change our democrazy system…. democracy=chaos!
Anyway what is new about the oil price?

Shloka Says:

June 11th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
@ Jibril,
Wonder why democracy=chaos is so often true in Muslim majority nations. Except Turkey, there is no single very stable Muslim democracy, which lasts for 10+ years at a stretch. Even in Turkey, the army had to step in three times to rescue democracy from Islamists. There’s stable and free from Buddhist fundamentalism democracy in Japan, Thailand, stable democracy in Hindu majority India but not its Muslim neighbour Pakistan, democracy in Jewish Majority Israel, democracy in Christian majority Europe\America\Australia.

In fact, in nations with non Muslim majorities, the biggest threats to democracy comes from Communism- like the Shining Path in Latin America, Marxism in North Korea rather than religious fundamentalism. However in Muslim nations in Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia etc the secular Government is threatened by Islamists, or in Iran the secularists are threatened by the Islamic Shariah based Government. Common factor=Islam.

Adi Arifin Says:

June 12th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Whilst I do not agree with physical abuse, I personally put a respect on Munarman and his FPI fellows. Won’t you get angry if someone suddenly replace your beloved wife? If you will, how could a muslim allow someone to replace Mohammad? If Achmadiyyah wants a religion who is different from Islam, name it something else.

Apes Says:

June 12th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Adi needs a reality check.

I personally spent my 9 years in Al Azhar, until I went abroad. Tell me something Adi, how many islam sect exist in this world? Do you even know? To be exact I only know 6, but there are more.

I used to be tought (Back in Al-Azhar) that we are a religion of unity, only one and nothing else (Unity? the best thing I remember from Al-Azhar was hearing my teacher telling me that I am not allowed to socialize with non muslims). Till reality hits when I went to college and saw some shiites, wahabis, sufi, hanafi, e.t.c, and yet they all beleive that their path is the outmost righteous one.

So what? if they (Ahmadiyah) would like to name themselve Islam? so be it. If you are offended by some gonzo creating a new religion in the name of Islam, instead of putting all the heat and anger to Ahmadiyah, why dont you put your anger towards shiites? after all They are the first sect to have tainted islam in the first place.

So Adi, learn some history… Islam had allready been tainted shortly after its birth and that was a long time ago.

dewaratugedeanom Says:

June 12th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Marisa said

Perhaps people, especially commenters on this site, should use the term ‘Islamist’ rather than ‘Muslim’. It’s a gesture indicating that one is not critisizing the other’s religion or faith, but more of critisizing the other’s societal and political ideology. I’m not saying that people should practice a subtle ’self censorship’, but such journalistic approach could help the readers in defining the context used in a more clearcut, less offensive, way.

Patung, what do you think? Can you implement that for your articles?
Just a suggestion though.

Splendid idea. Because we all know by now that in Islam faith and political ideology are two entirely different issues that are absolutely not – I repeat absolutely not – related, don’t we? What happened recently in Monas, what happened two times in Bali, what happens and happened countless times all over the world since a certain Muhammad tried to lay his hands on the Ka’aba and its pilgrims’ money, is all about politics and faith or religion have nothing to do with it. Comments like these really make my day.

Some people, especially commenters on this site should better stick with lifestyle blogs and play with snowflakes instead of throwing themselves to the lions.
Just a suggestion though.

Shloka Says:

June 13th, 2008 at 12:22 am
@ Adi,

Religion and wife are not the same. Do you share your wife with 1 billion other people like you do your Islam? And as for feeling angry, I imagine the Jews felt angry too, when the Muslims took Hagar( Hajjar) out of their Torah and made her the mother of Arabs. The Muslims and Christians felt angry when Mohammed, declared himself the last and greatest of a line of Prophets which included them. If Mohammed had lived in the 21st century, he’d be sued for plagiarism.

@ Apes,

I imagine the Shias feel the same way about Sunnis.

Lairedion Says:

June 13th, 2008 at 12:26 am
Shloka said:

If Mohammed had lived in the 21st century, he’d be sued for plagiarism.

Don’t forget pedophilia, murder, abuse of women and theft…

Adi Says:

June 13th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
The muslims were confronting themselves but many comments here blame Jews, I don’t think there is a relationship between these arguments. It shows how stupid Indonesian, Indonesian are killing each other in the name of religion and blame someone else to responsible. Why? because Indonesians do not want to responsible for what they’ve done. Those at Monas do not have any brain (maybe they have, but they never use it) and act as real Muslims, because they believe that they can do anything they want to in the name of religion. Once again: how stupid Indonesians are..

dewaratugedeanom Says:

June 13th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Or he might be put away for delusional schizofrenia, unless he would become protected by PCB’s, like what happened at the time in Mecca. If the Meccans would have dealt with him more firmly at the beginning than their half-hearted threats and protests for his delusional messages and sending him away on his ‘hijrah’, the world would have been spared lots of misery.

Shloka Says:

June 13th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
@ Lairedion,

Well, the past is the past- Moses, Mohammed et al could be sued. However the Muslims of the present day worry me. For instance, Jewish Prime Minister Golda Meir on being asked whether she believed in God answered,” I believe in the Jewish people, and the Jewish people believe in God.” The following are among the actions punishable by death according to the Torah:
1. Cheating on your husband, (Lev. 20:10).
2. Fornicating – if you’re female (Deut 22:21).
3. Homosexuality (Lev. 20:13).
4. Blasphemy (Lev. 24:16)
5. Insulting one’s parents (Exod. 21:17)
6. Disobeying one’s parents (Deut 21:18-21)

However, actually killing someone for any of these would get a Jew a life sentence in Israel, and the justification that they’re permitted in Torah won’t cut ice with the Court. However, the Muslims are a totally different case. Stonings for adultery in Iran and Saudi, death for blasphemy in Pakistan and other atrocities are everyday occurences in Muslim lands. Even though I’m a cultural Hindu, I hardly believe everything my scriptures say, I’m not even sure God exists. Too many Muslims seem to believe in a 7th century fairy tale, or rather a 7th century horror story more than they believe in gravity, and act precisely according to it disturbing the modern world which respects human rights and women’s equality.
@ Dewa,

Totally agree, the Meccans were way too soft. Thats’ the problem of polytheists, they’re way too tolerant. They easily let others worship another God, and will stoop to murder and violence only when its too late. I bet the Meccans sorely regretted their tolerance when Mohammed smashed their beloved idols and anyone wanting to stick to idolatry was put to death.

Lairedion Says:

June 13th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
@Shloka said:

However the Muslims of the present day worry me

True but what worries me even more are those PC Bules who are suffering from “all Muslims are pitiful” syndrome. Some of the commenters here on IM are also affected with this syndrome.

This is most evident in leftist political parties. For the sake of befriending and fear of alienating Muslims they are selling out traditional leftist issues like gender equity and gay and lesbian rights. So we have the paradox of leftist political parties having Muslims in their membership and electorate who are fiercely homophobic and feel women belong in the kitchen. And I’m talking about “moderate Muslims” here. I don’t think the generation of the 60’s had that in mind when they were fighting for more rights and trying to shrug off church influence on society and culture.

Muslims find these bules very useful to aide them with their demands for separate graveyards, separate swimming sessions for Muslim women, mushola’s at work, halal kitchens in uni’s etc.

Of course Leviticus is as hateful as the Qur’an. I ditched my Catholicism when I started to read the Bible and began to realize what crap was told in it. But nowadays I cannot find a Jewish/Christian nation on this planet still practicing Leviticus.

I do not consider myself a Buddhist but here are two Buddhist quotes I feel very comfortable with:

Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.

We should abandon the heresy of worshipping God and of praying to him. We should stops all speculation and vain talk about such matters and practice good so that good may result from our good deeds.

Shloka Says:

June 13th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
@ Lairedion,

Those leftists exist in India too, Hindu\ Christian etc women have equal inheritance and divorce rights while Muslim women’s lives are blighted by triple Talaq, lack of alimony in cases of divorse and polygamy. Hell, Bohra Muslim women in India undergo FGM and the leftist parties turn a blind eye to it.

I do agree with you that Buddha’s teachings are extemely rational and free from superstitions. Amazing that a man 2,600 years ago was so free from superstition. Buddhism was the majority religion in Sind( present day Pak), Bangladesh and Kashmir before Islam wiped it out from those places.

Waiting for PCB’s to call us ” part of the problem”

gOObers Says:

June 14th, 2008 at 12:41 am
Adi said:

Once again: how stupid Indonesians are…

Are you Indonesian, Adi? I’m sure you are not belong to the “Stupid Indonesian”, aren’t you?

Jibril Marpaung Says:

June 14th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Mr Shloka…
You are a wise Guy. I Would clarified that whether i said Democracy system then I refer it to our “Liberal Democracy System”.

I Prefer myself not join to Our “Democracy System..” that is adopted from “Pro LIberal Democracy” ( I said pro Liberal-becuase almost all of our democracy system practically is adopted from Liberal Democracy System).
In my opinion,MUlticultural state can not be control using a Pro Liberal Democracy system or Maisntream Democracy.

Take the example : Russia, China

I Do not stand my oppinion for FPI nor AKKBB (Fundamentalist or LIberal). as we can see Our democracy System can not working, on very specific situation.
Laclau And Mouffe has explained to us on MUlticultural society Democracy can not be full applied.

I can understand That several violence activities by THe FPI, considering of most of them have track record as “uneducated people”, (Minus some people such as Rizieq and Munarman) how many of them have enrolled to college?. they can not be invited to discuss even their own ideology because they do not have qualification on it. We can not push them to understand something they can not cacth on their mind. They Can not Accept Difference.

Otherwise, The conflict It happened because there is a gap between Those people that live on peripherical side compare to those who join the AKKBB that most of them are educated people, some of them are respected people and graduated their College Abroad. But those people that Join to AKKBB is Too selfish and Arrogant on their own idea and push it as a discourse on media whether from bla bla Foundation or bla bla bla Institute. ARe the society understand about the idea the those liberal would applied?.. I don`t think so.. Then i twould be wastefull for them (AKKBB-Liberal).

Shloka Says:

June 14th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
@ Jibril Marpuang,

I’m not sure whether I completely agree or disagree with you. Your nation, Indonesia is similar to mine India- both developing countries, great diversity etc. Of course my country is much bigger in size, population and number of faiths. And of course, thugs like FPI also exist. But democracy in India is doing pretty finely, and its not bad in Indonesia too. I visited China once and was amazed to see how fast they were developing, and the FPI and like groups wouldn’t try their antics there. Oil prices also seem to be better managed in China than India or Indo…

But I guess I like to stick to full liberal democracy- I won’t like the press\internet censored or my right to vote, which I’ll get next year taken away- even if the Government gives me freedom from violent uneducated thugs in return.

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