REMEMBER Habib Rizieq Shihab, head of the Islamic Defender’s Front (FPI),THIS ARAB LUNATIC MAN!

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“Please Australia, move your feet from Indonesia as soon as your humanitarian work is done. They should not corrupt Islamic sharia law in force in Aceh”
Australian troops giving tsunami aid will not be armed — and have been warned to get out fast before they pollute Islamic Aceh. “Downer: We won’t arm Diggers,” from News.com.au, with thanks to the Informed Christian:

ARMING Australian troops helping with the tsunami relief effort in Indonesia could increase the risk of rebel attacks on them, the Foreign Minister said today.
Following warnings to the Australian contingent from Islamic hardline groups in Indonesia, Alexander Downer said arming foreign troops would put them at greater risk from insurgents.

“If you send arms in there, it’s much more likely that this would arouse significant opposition from the Free Aceh movement and you could find yourself, ironically, with armed troops more likely to be in some kind of a military confrontation than with unarmed troops,” he said today.

“The point we want to make is that the Australian defence force personnel are not there for military reasons, they’re there for humanitarian reasons.”…

Habib Rizieq Shihab, head of the Islamic Defender’s Front (FPI), said yesterday Australian assistance in Aceh could herald the start of an East Timor-style intervention designed to secure independence for the troubled northern province.

Mr Shihab told The Australian he feared the presence of hundreds of Australian troops in Aceh would corrupt the province’s strict Islamic culture.

Mr Shihab accused Canberra of using the excuse of humanitarian assistance to support a long-term strategy of undermining Indonesian sovereignty.

Australia’s strategy in Indonesia was best seen by its role in helping East Timor gain independence, he said.

“We need to be vigilant. We do not want a second East Timor.”

He said thousands of his supporters were already in Aceh monitoring the behaviour of foreign troops, including Australians.

“Please Australia, move your feet from Indonesia as soon as your humanitarian work is done,” he said. “They should not corrupt Islamic sharia law in force in Aceh, because we know that these foreign soldiers like to bring prostitutes with them. Also, these soldiers drink alcohol and in Aceh it is strictly forbidden.”

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Mr. Shihab confirms that beggars CAN be choosy.

Posted by: Moe’s Foe at January 11, 2005 10:01 AM
The Aussie soldiers are “bring[ing] prostitutes with them” during relief operations!

They’re more resourceful than anyone ever thought.

I can just hear the pilots’ inventory check-list before take off:

Fifty bags of rice. -Check.
1,000 gallons of water. -Check.
100 gallons of cooking oil. -Check.
1,000 lbs. of soy protein. -Check.
2 sleazy Sydney hookers. -Double check.

But the real question is:

Do they bring ‘protection’?

Posted by: profitsbeard at January 11, 2005 10:20 AM
Typical ingrate Islamic types, wonder how these lowlifes would enjoy cleaning this mess up all by themselves. Although, they’s probably just leave it a mess, so they’d feel at home.

Posted by: Prickzilla at January 11, 2005 10:26 AM
What gratitude! Why do we bother helping these ingrates, who are more concerned about the strict observance of their medieval, asinine legal system than the survival of the people!
Anyone who really believes that our humanitarian efforts will be appreciated, or that they will have a positive influence on muslim attitudes, is sadly mistaken. Before this is over, we will be accused of everything from proselytizing to gang raping muslim women and selling muslim infants into prostitution.
Under the auspices of the U.N., our humanitarian aid will end up in the coffers of the warlords and jihadist gangs. What they don’t sell on the blackmarket to raise funds for weapons and bombs, they might provide to the victims of this catastrophe under the guise of an Islamic relief effort. So anyway you cut it, we’re squandering our good will and money. The terrorist gangs will end up being the heroes in the eyes of the deluded and distraught survivors.

Posted by: Susanp at January 11, 2005 10:41 AM
i was in Aceh back in 1998,back then there was quite a serious insurgency going on, yet any foreigners were very welcome, there was even beer to be had and from what i observed then few locals followed Shari’a with any strict discipline, if at all! the islmaists must be in complete charge now as the group with monopoly on force ever since the Indonesian government withdrew its troops!

it would be interesting to see what would happen if the radicals were to lose their monopoly on force! how can locals argue when they have the Huddud punishments being held over them if they do!

to argue versus their form of islam is apostacy to these people – and we all know what happens to them!

Posted by: hmmm at January 11, 2005 10:45 AM
The sadness continues.

Hurry up and finish ‘YOUR’ aid efforts – then leave. What if no one came to help?

Islam will not prosper like this – as no one can.

Imagine telling the nurse – hurry up and put my bandages on. And when you are done – clear out of the way – you are offensive to me.

1. Either you are hugely ungrateful

2. You are mad old fool

3. You are deeply embarrassed – that you needed help – from people you have deemed unworthy. And to say THANK YOU – would weaken your hard-line stance.

If the title of ‘Religion of Peace’ is not working maybe they should try ‘Religion of Humility’?

We have to help – Even the Muslims should know that God works in mysterious ways. Instead of being closed off as they had hoped – they or those who are left are exposed – see it’s not that bad.

**It could be all 3
Islam could be the ‘Mad Old Fool’ of Today’s World.

Posted by: Pass It On at January 11, 2005 11:07 AM

I think the tribute we paid to the Moslems of the Philippines places us squarely in the camp of a very moral people when compared to the Islamic world, which seems to not care very much about what has happened there.

To expect anything more from them is total foolishness. They are taking the Western nations (who are bending over backwards to prove their compassion), for all the aid they can get before they tell us to get the hell out.

Now morally speaking, we are doing the right thing. But no amount of good will be reciprocated and no enduring changes of perception will affect the insurmountable civilizational difference that commands Moslems to subjugate the non-Moslem nations of the world to Islam.

If were lucky, none of the aid workers will be killed of kidnapped and no military personnel (who our appreciative tsunami victims are demanding be unarmed) will be ambushed or killed.

Note to Bush and Co:

Stop politicizing this unnecessarily. We Americans know we are a moral people, so stop pandering to the Moslem world like a shameless buffoon expecting the hundreds-of-millions in aid, confiscated from the American tax payer, to matter one bit in influencing Moslems to accept us.

What the Western nations are doing without knowing it, is playing the Dhimmi.

Posted by: Andrew at January 11, 2005 11:30 AM
“Please Australia, move your feet from Indonesia as soon as your humanitarian work is done,” he said.

He failed to mention that due to the Austrailians imposing themselves on the Indonesian people, there is a backlog in the administration of sharia justice…

They have work of their own to do, it includes:

47 hangings
84 stonings
183 lashings
21 hands, 14 feet, and 6 heads to chop off

…if the Australians don’t leave soon, they may never catch up.

Posted by: Greg at January 11, 2005 11:45 AM
After Bali, why they’re helping is beyond anyones comprehension…

Posted by: hindu at January 11, 2005 12:05 PM
Gratitude for help from Muslims? Heavens no! Hurry up, chop, chop, get on with and get out before you POLLUTE US!

We’ll gladly take what we want, and then we’re finished with you…No gratitude — only the same old disdain.

We are doing this because it’s the right thing. Anyone believing that Muslims will have an attitude change is very naÏve. Extremists groups are salivating, waiting for the first opportunity to dispatch Americans, Australians or others that forget this lesson.

Posted by: epg at January 11, 2005 12:08 PM
Habib Rizieq Shihab, head of the Islamic Defender’s Front (FPI),shoot the whole pack of
muvver-fookers.
Killing this whole pack slime to just save helpless child would be a great contribution to mankind

Posted by: shiva at January 11, 2005 12:17 PM
Anything that we do there is to help the helpless. The world isn’t helping muslims, christians, or anything like that. We’re helping helpless people. You do that because we’re all the same when we’re naked and helpless.

That statement about leaving as soon as you can so you don’t corrupt them … is a shame and a disgrace to Indonesia and Islam I hope they never live down.

f.g.

Posted by: f.g. at January 11, 2005 12:42 PM
What’s to stop them the jihadist from attacking the australian troops.By the australians being unarmed don’t that make them an inviting target.

Posted by: RED at January 11, 2005 12:48 PM
As in Iraq, I would hope that every individual act of kindness is remembered by the people and that they weigh that against the ruthless leadership of Islam.

Posted by: crusader rabbit at January 11, 2005 1:05 PM
Soon after the tsunami groups of Sri Lankans were out on the streets of London with their collection buckets.

On Sunday there was a group of six to a dozen of them in Parliament Square holding placards saying ‘Thank you Britain’. I felt touched.

But I didn’t see any Indonesians out there or any other Muslims collecting for them.

Posted by: Elephant at January 11, 2005 1:06 PM

Mr. Spencer’s the expert, but as I see it, we are demonstrating the psychological characteristics of a people desperately afraid of the violence which could result from not providing aid.

We are playing the Dhimmi and paying a tribute hoping to allay our fears, NOT aid. Normal aid would be reasonable, but the entire Western world is doing far more than giving reasonable amounts of money, they are practically falling all over themselves stampeding to a people that for the most part, hate our very presence.

In Germany, every night there is a lead-off story of the tsunami that of course understandingly focuses on the thousand dead or missing Germans–that is fine. But the media focuses only on the aid. For two weeks strong, nothing but fundraisers and nothing of the news of their demands and lack of respect for our cultural sensitivities, such as this story about the Australians getting out ASAP. One German Race Car driver, Schumacher, donated 10 million euros; Mercedes gave 1 million the German government is giving 100 million that in addition to our 234 million “Drop in the bucket”.

The Indonesian clergy show once again the one-way street of Islam. No act of good-will can make any difference at all.

Back to the aid, whenever large sums of money stream into disaster regions, there will be waste and corruption. But in Indonesia where a jihad is currently being waged, how much of that overly generous Western cash will wind up in the hands of Islamists? Again, I think we should help, but soon approaching a billion dollars in western aid, how much is overkill and how much is our fear of not pleasing the Arab world?

A final note, what about the victims of Arab Moslem savagery in Sudan, they are still waiting, crying for the world to lift a finger and poison gas supplied by Syria gasses them to death or the Islamic government in Darfur sends tanks into villages to kill unarmed men, women and Children.

I wonder why the Christian, Moslem and Animist Blacks of the killing fields there at the hands and instigation of Islamists are not helped with the same urgency, after all, their condition is not the result of an act of God.

Posted by: Andrew at January 11, 2005 1:12 PM
Just as I thought – whatever money and aid U.N doesn’t sqander will be swallowed up by Indonesian
troops and Jihad thugs. Someone should shove a Pork chop into Shihab’s hateful mouth and tell him
where to get off – pity Tsunami didn’t swallow him
and his cronies into watery oblivion. NEVER EXPECT GRATITUDE FROM MUSLIMS!

Posted by: Morgane at January 11, 2005 1:56 PM
Just a Test to see if he is back heard it last night and OH THE LOVE POURING IN!!!

http://www.beecy.net/frank/

HEARD SOME AUSSI GOT JAIL TIME FOR LETTING SOME CROCK EAT SOME GERMANS??

GOOD ON YOU MATE!!

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Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TI VICTORY [FREEDOM] TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRRIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

PS
The Mud slide hit the town who was going to shut down the shooting range saw it on fox last week?? Makes you wonder??

Posted by: Catherine at January 11, 2005 2:02 PM
Does the religious ideology of Islam speak louder to its flock then those of other religious beliefs who are in the affected tsunami countries? More than likely it will. One could take a pole a year from now and ask if the help that was received from the infidels was appreciated. In any case; the spirit of volunteerism to save and protect lives will try to proceed no matter what. maybe somewhere down the line and into the future many people or a wise and bright leader will reflect on what really happened there and who really helped without asking for any anything in return. Volunteers did not threaten his religion,his nations sovereignty, all they did is come and help. What is important is that we did the right thing without judging anbody.

Posted by: Mackie at January 11, 2005 2:17 PM
“Please Australia, move your feet from Indonesia as soon as your humanitarian work is done”

By all means, let’s not arm our relief work soldiers, it’ll only PROVOKE violence.

Y’know, let’s not arm our cops, either, same theory.

And for God’s sake don’t let women show any skin, that will almost certainly cause an uncontrollabe urge to rape.

Posted by: CornHolio at January 11, 2005 2:18 PM
Andrew-
Now you’ve opened the UN can of worms!
For starters, the Chinese and French with their insatiable demand for Sudanese oil and vetos on the UN Security Council, will never allow anything to come between them and the fat contracts they’ve negotiated with Khartoum Jihad and Oil, Inc. – particularly a bunch of pesky black African “slaves”. Especially after the US went ahead and f’ed things up for them in Iraq.

Posted by: Mike at January 11, 2005 2:21 PM
OT~ Certoff. I saw on CNN they are already talking about anything ‘negative’ they can come up with for him. Not that Any of it is, mind, but I don’t think things will go quite as easy for him to become Bush’s next Homeland Security man.

Posted by: Gary at January 11, 2005 2:36 PM
While I agree with some of what Andrew is saying I disagree strongly with the idea that “…we are demonstrating the psychological characteristics of a people desperately afraid of the violence which could result from not providing aid.”

What a shame that this is looked at so cynically by some. How ever much is offered freely by people or their governments is not dhimmitude. We give in order to help. I’ll even go so far as to say that we are hoping that as a result it helps to prove that we wish no ill will between them and us and in hopes that it proves to some that they’re being fed a steady diet of anti-westernism that is untrue. There will always be a select, ungrategul, idiotic few who will bite the hand. Does anyone else have a better idea?

And how much is “overkill”? How much is too little? How much is “just right”?

Posted by: Oyster at January 11, 2005 2:37 PM
The difference in priority between the tsunami victims of Indonesia and the genocide in Sudan can be seen below. It looks like genocide is a lot harder to sell to the people.

This can be demonstrated by the difficulty in locating funds to help the victims of the Islamist government in Khartoum:

FUNDING TO HELP THE WORLDS SECOND GREATEST HUMANATARIAN DISASTER OF 1994:

# Revised appeal on 25 August for entire country calls for $722 million to cover humanitarian needs until the end of the year.

# As of early September only $434 million received.

# Appeal not limited to Darfur; in southern Sudan, funds are needed to help internally displaced persons (IDPs) return to their homes as separate civil war there nears end.

# Only $17 million of the required $153 million to assist those IDPs has been donated.

Meanwhile the hypocrite Western governments rush like fools to bask in the non-existent warmth of the Islamic leadership of Indonesia.

http://www.un.org/News/dh/sudan/humanassist.htm

I am glad we are helping, because we are doing the right thing in this case. But I think this mad infusion of massive aid is indicates the pathological obsession to pacify the Moslem world at all costs, just like we did with Arafat and a thousand other examples right down to handing over Europe and the U.S.

It would be nice if a portion the sweeping feelings of warmth and fuzziness could be mustered to save the Black Sudanese from their Islamist Arab hunters who are undergoing the same fate which awaits us all.

Posted by: Andrew at January 11, 2005 2:45 PM
This is further proof, if proof is needed, that Islam is NOT capable of living in peace with other religions. Why are we wasting time trying to help people who obviously don’t want our help and treat us so contemptously? We are NOT going to generate any good will, and our help, at best, will be seen as tribute justly due the Islamic community. At worst, it will be another excuse for terrorism.

Bending over backwards to help those who attack you is not a sign of moral goodness, it is a sign of weakness and weakness always invites aggression.

Posted by: BattleofthePyramids at January 11, 2005 2:49 PM
I feel that they deserve to be left, why? why are there this ingratitude and falseness, why?, evil is spreading

Posted by: Franze at January 11, 2005 3:04 PM
CAIR: Christians Are “Exploiting” Tsunami!

http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=35692&theType=NB

Evil Christians are passing out gospel tracts along with bottles of water, blankets, lanterns and candles!! What next? The unmitigated horror of compassionate Jews handing out MREs and Bibles??
THE HORROR!! How can this go unpunished?!!

Posted by: Mike at January 11, 2005 3:26 PM
OT:
CAIR Offers Diversity Training to Sacramento Police

http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=1385&theType=NR

Posted by: Mike at January 11, 2005 3:29 PM
Mike

OT:
CAIR Offers Diversity Training to Sacramento Police

This is my concern. CAIR providing “sensitivity training” to the FBI is viewed as an endorsement of the organization. Now law enforcement across the country will associate with them, thinking they are our friends.

Posted by: Greg at January 11, 2005 3:39 PM
It is a major problem, Greg. I hope we have some friends in California who may wish to point out CAIR’s true nature:

http://www.anti-cair-net.org/

Posted by: Mike at January 11, 2005 4:19 PM

Sorry about spelling in this comment
The die is being cast
Habib Rizieq Shihab, head of the Islamic Defender’s Front (FPI), said yesterday Australian assistance in Aceh could herald the start of an East Timor-style intervention designed to secure independence for the troubled northern province.
Mr Shihab told The Australian he feared the presence of hundreds of Australian troops in Aceh would corrupt the province’s strict Islamic culture.
Mr Shihab accused Canberra of using the excuse of humanitarian assistance to support a long-term strategy of undermining Indonesian sovereignty
Australia’s strategy in Indonesia was best seen by its role in helping East Timor gain independence, he said.
“We need to be vigilant. We do not want a second East Timor.”
He said thousands of his supporters were already in Aceh monitoring the behaviour of foreign troops, including Australians
Aceh has been fighting to be seperated from Indonesia for the last 30 odd years,they do not want to be part of indonsesia any more the East Timorese.It should be noted it is not the Acehnese who are being sensitive about Islamic issues,it is the lackies of people very high up in the Indo Goverment.Rais,Haz,Susilyo and the Jakarta Mega Maffia.There is a lot of oil and gas in aceh,and Jakarta does not want to lose it Indonesia lost a lot of troops in the disaster,these troops where fighting the rebels, now how much aid would go to Indonesia if reinforcements where sent in now to continue the war.So instead of the military being sent,they are allowing the jihadi,s in to help them to do the dirty work
This way Indonesia appears to be the good samaritan and the funds roll in.
This has been going on since the fall of Suharto.
When Suharto was in power,the military was used to suppress any resistance to Jakarta.The present goverment can not do the same,so instead of the military going to the outer Islands to keep then under control,it is the Jihadis[the same groups that are now appearing in Aceh].The very same people who where killing raping circumsizing by force christians on Kalimantan,Suliwesi and the Malucas.The same slime that incinerated East Timor.Then we have the Sari Club/Paddys Bar Bombing,Marriot and the Australian Embassy
Lets look at Mr Shihab remarks
Mr Shihab told The Australian he feared the presence of hundreds of Australian troops in Aceh would corrupt the province’s strict Islamic culture.

Maybe the Acehs first taste of humanity would be the corrupting factor

Mr Shihab accused Canberra of using the excuse of humanitarian assistance to support a long-term strategy of undermining Indonesian sovereignty
what about this
Habib Rizieq Shihab
JIHAD MANUAL THREATENS THE UNITY OF INDONESIA
“Jihad Manual For Activists of the Islamic Movement” by DR. HILMY BAKAR ALMASCATY
Below is a paragraph from the introduction by the translator:quote:”You will quickly realize that this is a terrorist manual, advocating terrorism, murder, sabotage, the overthrow of non-supportive Government and the forced subjugation of all humanity to Islam as the only pathway to world peace

Mr Shihab states Australia’s strategy in Indonesia was best seen by its role in helping East Timor gain independence
In fact it was the East Timorese that went to the polls and by a vast majority voted themselves out of indonesia

A week ago Mr Shihab said he and his supportters where in Aceh to assist with the relief work,now that they have got everything back to normal He and thousands of his supporters where ready in Aceh to monitor the behaviour of foreign troops, including Australians,”We need to be vigilant. We do not want a second East Timor
Mr Shihab,I hope you are not implying that the Australians burnt East Timor

We are ready in Aceh to monitor the behaviour of foreign troops because we know that these foreign soldiers like to bring prostitutes with them. Also, these soldiers drink alcohol and in Aceh it is strictly forbidden.
Mr Shihab,If any of the troops that are helping your country men should need a prostitute which I doudt,then I do not think they would bring with them,or have you forgotten that there is more than enough in Jakarta.Wouldnt it be better for you to monitor Jakarta.Do you know what your wife is doing while you are away jihading.
Go home to your family before some GI-jane stomps your head
If the USA/UN really wants to help Aceh then the best thing to do is give the Acehnese what they really want,and that is independence from Indonesia,and help them rebuild. If it is left up to Jakarta,the situation will only get worse,with aid going to Jakarta and the Jihadis
I sincerly believe the Acehnese would rather the USA to Jakarta.The Acehs have been at war with Jakarta for 40years now.So if Jakarta wants Aceh then they should be helping them,which they are not doing today when they are still hunting and killing the Acehs,and sending in terrorists who are hindering the people who really want to help the Acehs
If the FPI/Jihadis are hindering help getting to the old and young then they should be shot on site,the lives of the children who are suffering through no fault of their own,is more important than the murderers that are now flocking to Aceh.This skum have already committed enough crimes on other islands,to warrant being hung strung and quartered it is time they should be stopped.
Aceh is not only a disaster zone,it is a war zone,and this skum has already declared war on the USA.Some of these people have already been fighting in Afganistan.Also it would not come as a surprise if there are Afgans,Pakkis and Arab mixed in with them
The way that Indonesia is hindering aid could very quickley cause a lot of deaths
to me this equates to passive genocide,to avoid this then the troops should be armed and ready to shoot any bodty who hinders from giving and, and not help Indonesia and the jihadis keep control of Aceh by this evil tactic

Posted by: shiva at January 11, 2005 4:23 PM
Some things Americans think??

Mike you should like this??

1/10/2005 | TAMER EL-GHOBASHY, DEREK ROSE and DAVE GOLDINER
A crazed thug wielding a box cutter viciously slashed a high school honor student and a beloved Sunday school teacher in front of her Bronx church yesterday – sending a wave of terror through the neighborhood. “I want to know why he did it,” said Angelina Melendez, the teen’s grandmother.

Christians ‘Exploiting’ Tsunami Disaster, Group Says

Posted by worldclass
On 01/10/2005 11:26:34 AM PST • 18 replies • 278+ views

CNSNews ^ | 1/10/2005 | Susan Jones
The Council on American-Islamic Relations, in a recent email to supporters, said Christian missionaries are “exploiting the tsunami suffering.”

To: worldclass
Last week, Sri Lanka, by order of the Minister of Health, stopped issuing visas to Americans bringing in aid and supplies. They will not be allowed to enter the country. He did so because “They are Christians” according to two people I know in Sri Lanka.

2 posted on 01/10/2005 11:33:50 AM PST by ZGuy
To: worldclass
Well I have seen Taiwan’s Tzu-Chi Foundation (which is a Buddhist charity) also contributing the relief effort. When are the likes of CAIR and other fellow Islam organization start to scream “These Buddhists infidels are exploiting the tsunamis??”

4 posted on 01/10/2005 12:22:22 PM PST by NZerFromHK (“US libs…hypocritical, naive, pompous…if US falls it will be because of these” – Tao Kit (HK))

To: worldclass
Christians ‘Exploiting’ Tsunami Disaster,
Praise the Lord! I hope all the Christian missionaries are successful in converting Muslims. I am a committed Catholic, but if I heard the Lutherans or Evangelicals were baptizing Muslims en masse, I think I could be persuaded to give them a substantial contribution. I truly believe Islam is from the Prince of Darkness himself.

7 posted on 01/10/2005 12:40:19 PM PST by old and tired

I guess we should not feed these people just let them die it is a chatch 22

for some??

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Posted by: Catherine at January 11, 2005 4:37 PM
OT,
I just found out that the questionaire had been put on site in a couple of places.

Here is a copy of the questionaire.

Now, I wasn’t ready for this to be sent out yet. I intended to include the Mission statement of the group as soon as it was completed and also make a change to the questionaire its self.

I don’t need to know address or city. I would like to know states though. The reason is, as we get better organized, I would like to start keeping track of where Islamic speakers are going to be and get our members to monitor it.

PACC QUESTIONNAIRE

In the interest of establishing our groups?s goals and coordinating the
activities of its individual members, we ask that you fill out this
questionnaire and return it to Susan as soon as possible. As always,
your confidentiality will be respected. Thank you for your assistance!

1) Name:

2) E-mail address:

3) City, state and country of residence:

4) In your opinion, what should be the goals of this group?

5) What are your particular interests, skills and experience?

6) What specific issues would you care to address or are currently
working on?

7) Are there any technical skills you are willing to contribute?

8) Do you wish to be share your e-mail address with the other group
members?

9) If the group establishes an identity, do you have any suggestions
for
a name?

10) Any additional suggestions, ideas, information, etc.?

I know that I have had many emails concerning this new group effort and a lot of people have made suggestions and offers to help, which all have been greatly appreciated, but, there was so much, this is the best way to get things more organized.

If everyone could fill this and send it back, that would help alot. And, only fill in what you are comfortable with.

SusanB
susan_b356@yahoo.com

Posted by: susan_b at January 11, 2005 4:41 PM
All things considered, they should be rather grateful that they are not waiting for aide from the believers of a Muslim god (a second string one at that).

Posted by: RIslander at January 11, 2005 4:46 PM
Andrew and BattleofthePyramids are right.
If you want to do something good with your money, support Jihad Watch or do something here:

http://anysoldier.com/index.cfm

At least our troops appreciate our kindness and generosity.

Posted by: Mike at January 11, 2005 4:48 PM
PS. I’m GLAD I didn’t pony up for this relief effort. Screw a bunch of ingrates.
And stay out of MY country.

Posted by: Mike at January 11, 2005 4:50 PM
OT

Convert Jews, Christians to Islam Rather Than
Kill Them, Saudi Cleric Says

Jerusalem (CNSNews.com) – It is better to convert Jews and Christians to Islam than to kill them, Saudi Cleric ‘Aed Al-Qarni said on Saudi Iqra television on Sunday. “The Prophet Muhammad, as is said in the Hadith, sent Ali to the Jews – to the Jews, the brothers of apes and pigs – to fight them,” Al-Qarni said, according to a translation provided by the Middle East Media Research Institute on Tuesday. “Ali, being so brave and daring, thought he was sent to behead them. The Prophet Muhammad told him that it was better to guide them to the righteous path than to kill them… By Allah, if you guide a Jew or a Christian to the righteous path it is better than slaughtering one or two thousand of them on the battlefield,” he said. Islam considers all non-Muslims to be infidels.

Posted by: Greg at January 11, 2005 4:52 PM
Just this once I will pray to God that this slime crosses my path when I,m walking my dogs

Posted by: shiva at January 11, 2005 4:55 PM
Or even when I dont have my dogs

Posted by: shiva at January 11, 2005 5:01 PM
Shiva
are you a Hindu, With those big black dogs??

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God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength, Wisdom, Sight, and Courage to stay the course to Victory[FREEDOM] to Destroy ALL islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen

PS
Franze I am’ sure you are not alone today seams they just put a Islamic Terrorist in Jail because he stold 1$ out of a payphone 13 yrs ago!!!

Posted by: Catherine at January 11, 2005 5:30 PM
I guess the feeling of shame is also not in the Islamic repetoire of emotions. Just lots of arrogance and self-righteousness. How anyone can say such a thing during this time is beyond belief. And disgusting. But not surprising.

I’m sure there’s an underlying fear, behind Shihab’s words. He’s afraid that the people of Aceh will see real people, real compassion, real culture, versus the backward nightmare they’re living in, under this so-called Islamic “culture”. Seeing all this humanitarian stuff would undermine the power and control Shihab and his ilk have over people. They might get ideas, start having nice thoughts about us infidels and maybe wonder why we’re always demonized and denigrated by their leaders. It won’t make sense to see us doing good works. We’re supposed to be horrible people, to be avoided. Islam is supposed to be superior and wonderful, yet it’s the infidel with the means and the will to help.

Posted by: feralee at January 11, 2005 8:44 PM
Catherine
look into my face and behold the sweestest dreams of some,and the worst nightmares of others

Posted by: shiva at January 12, 2005 3:18 AM
posted by feralee:

“I’m sure there’s an underlying fear, behind Shihab’s words. He’s afraid that the people of Aceh will see real people, real compassion, real culture, versus the backward nightmare they’re living in, under this so-called Islamic “culture”. Seeing all this humanitarian stuff would undermine the power and control Shihab and his ilk have over people. They might get ideas, start having nice thoughts about us infidels and maybe wonder why we’re always demonized and denigrated by their leaders. It won’t make sense to see us doing good works. We’re supposed to be horrible people, to be avoided. Islam is supposed to be superior and wonderful, yet it’s the infidel with the means and the will to help.”

Yes feralee, I think your comments have merit. The generosity of the whole non-Muslim world and the stinginess of the Muslim world can not go totally unnoticed by the Muslims in the tsunami stricken world. Anytime compassion is done to you, it creates a bond – even if temporarily for a moment. So, there is a note of fear driving this hatred. Unfortunately, I think we are working a bit to our detriment in the relief department.

The reason why these Muslim people will ENTIRELY MISS THE POINT is due to their own fatalistic philosophy. In Islam, if something good happens, ah well then Allah wished it should happen. If something bad happens, well Allah wished it should happen. There is no real understanding by the Muslims that we (all of us human beings) create our own happiness and misery – that we have FREE WILL and that free will is what can enable us to crawl out of a fatalistic world view. Muslims are slaves – pure and simple. They have a slave mentality and don’t look outside of their small narrow boxes.

Consider the scene in the movie “Lawrence of Arabia.” Lawrence thought up a way to fight a battle for a port city – sorry can’t remember which. He begged the shiek to give him men to cross the desert and attack the city from the desert-side, where there were no defenses. The shiek thought he was mad but gave him 50 camel mounted men. That shiek believed that Lawrence was on a suicide mission. Through incredible effort, they crossed the desert in the night – specifically the hottest part of the desert. In the middle of the night, one of his men fell off his camel while asleep. When they got to the next well, shortly before sunrise, Lawrence discovered the loss of the man. Horrified, he raced back to the worst part of that desert to retrieve the man and saved his life. Now, what were the attitudes of the Arab men when they realized Lawrence was heading back to save that man’s life? “Oh, no, you can’t go back, he is already dead. It was Allah’s will. Don’t go back and get yourself killed on account of him. Don’t worry yourself about him.” That same attitude was reflected by the shiek, “Oh no, you cannot cross the desert and live. Don’t try. It isn’t Allah’s will.” Of course, they not only managed to cross the desert, they sacked the port city and took it without much difficulty.

So, even though we are doing incredible kindness for these people, they won’t really “get it.” They’ll just chalk it up to, “Well, if the non-believers want to give us relief aid, it was Allah’s will that they should do this.” Had we chosen not to send money, they would have vilified us in no uncertain terms, while bemoaning the fact that Allah did not want their own Muslim brethren in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Kuwait, Iran, etc. to do anything to help them.

It kind of makes me think we should only give to the starving children and the Christians, Hindus, Bhuddists and others who would really appreciate the help.

Posted by: paula at January 12, 2005 4:27 AM
posted by feralee:

“I’m sure there’s an underlying fear, behind Shihab’s words. He’s afraid that the people of Aceh will see real people, real compassion, real culture, versus the backward nightmare they’re living in, under this so-called Islamic “culture”. Seeing all this humanitarian stuff would undermine the power and control Shihab and his ilk have over people. They might get ideas, start having nice thoughts about us infidels and maybe wonder why we’re always demonized and denigrated by their leaders. It won’t make sense to see us doing good works. We’re supposed to be horrible people, to be avoided. Islam is supposed to be superior and wonderful, yet it’s the infidel with the means and the will to help.”

Yes feralee, I think your comments have merit. The generosity of the whole non-Muslim world and the stinginess of the Muslim world can not go totally unnoticed by the Muslims in the tsunami stricken world. Anytime compassion is done to you, it creates a bond – even if temporarily for a moment. So, there is a note of fear driving this hatred. Unfortunately, I think we are working a bit to our detriment in the relief department.

The reason why these Muslim people will ENTIRELY MISS THE POINT is due to their own fatalistic philosophy. In Islam, if something good happens, ah well then Allah wished it should happen. If something bad happens, well Allah wished it should happen. There is no real understanding by the Muslims that we (all of us human beings) create our own happiness and misery – that we have FREE WILL and that free will is what can enable us to crawl out of a fatalistic world view. Muslims are slaves – pure and simple. They have a slave mentality and don’t look outside of their small narrow boxes.

Consider the scene in the movie “Lawrence of Arabia.” Lawrence thought up a way to fight a battle for a port city – sorry can’t remember which. He begged the shiek to give him men to cross the desert and attack the city from the desert-side, where there were no defenses. The shiek thought he was mad but gave him 50 camel mounted men. That shiek believed that Lawrence was on a suicide mission. Through incredible effort, they crossed the desert in the night – specifically the hottest part of the desert. In the middle of the night, one of his men fell off his camel while asleep. When they got to the next well, shortly before sunrise, Lawrence discovered the loss of the man. Horrified, he raced back to the worst part of that desert to retrieve the man and saved his life. Now, what were the attitudes of the Arab men when they realized Lawrence was heading back to save that man’s life? “Oh, no, you can’t go back, he is already dead. It was Allah’s will. Don’t go back and get yourself killed on account of him. Don’t worry yourself about him.” That same attitude was reflected by the shiek, “Oh no, you cannot cross the desert and live. Don’t try. There’s no point. If it isn’t Allah’s will, it isn’t Allah’s will.” Of course, they not only managed to cross the desert, they sacked the port city and took it without much difficulty.

So, even though we are doing incredible kindness for these people, they won’t really “get it.” They’ll just chalk it up to, “Well, if the non-believers want to give us relief aid, it was Allah’s will that they should do this.” Had we chosen not to send money, they would have vilified us in no uncertain terms, while bemoaning the fact that Allah did not want their own Muslim brethren in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Kuwait, Iran, etc. to do anything to help them.

It kind of makes me think we should only give to the starving children and the Christians, Hindus, Bhuddists and others who would really appreciate the help.

Posted by: paula at January 12, 2005 4:27 AM
Grrrr… Another accidental double post. Sorry guys.

Posted by: paula at January 12, 2005 4:29 AM
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Posted by: Andrew at January 12, 2005 5:14 AM
It just goes to show that these muzzies are really backstabbers. They do not appreciate the aid efforts.These are the same people who held hate protests against America and western nations. Do they really diserve our aid?

Posted by: Ummagumma at January 11, 2005 10:09 AM

Answer: No.
Australia should get their courageous troops out of that shit-hole right now, and leave the ungrateful,racists to perish in a hail of their own religious ignorance.

Maybe then the indonesian people will start to see who the real villains are…. or maybe not.

Posted by: Rikki at January 12, 2005 8:08 AM
Thanks, paula, for the explanation on their annoying fatalism – ‘Allah wills it’. Obviously part and parcel of the whole culture and why it’s so backward, such a failure. Sitting around and just sloughing everything off as “Allah wills it” paralyzes and cripples a culture. You really can’t get anywhere or be anything productive with that useless attitude. Therefore I’m beginning to wonder whether all this aid will be all that useful in the long run. You have to have get up and go, the ambition, the desire to raise yourself up, to improve yourself. And here we are, giving them the opportunity, the wherewithall, but I doubt it’ll do any good.

This Indian Ocean tsunami warning system – why wasn’t there already one? With all the billions the Suhartos stole from Indonesia, they didn’t have a few million to spare to put towards such a system? Same with all the other corrupt, tinpot despots in the area. Too busy with the ‘oh Allah wills it, nothing we can do’ attitude while grasping every penny for themselves and their cronies to live in luxury. It’ll be the West again who puts this system into place. And pays to maintain it. Thanks to Islamic uselessness.

Posted by: feralee at January 12, 2005 9:07 AM
Check out this story on how a U.S Marine was treated
in his own country….

http://www.nbc5i.com/news/4071950/detail.html

Posted by: sococm at January 12, 2005 10:22 AM
“…we are demonstrating the psychological characteristics of a people desperately afraid of the violence which could result from not providing aid.”

Hey, Andrew, more than likely, people are more afraid of feeling the lash of Jan Egeland’s dhimmi tongue than of the violence of Islam. Many people have suggested that if we chose our aid efforts very carefully, the Muslims would be distracted from their violence against us because they would have to focus all their activity on their own survival instead of attacking others.

Feralee, another reason Muslims are always saying “If Allah wills it” is because they endorse the concept of predeterminism. There is no use (I guess unless it’s attacking Infidels) in trying to make any changes, since no matter what you do, it is Allah’s will. So if the guy fell off the camel, it was Allah’s will. If the tsunami kills thousands, it was Allah’s will. If you get sick, it is Allah’s will.

It is only to the degree that people reject this stupid belief that they can help themselves and make some progress. No wonder (among many, many other reasons) they don’t exactly corner the market in Nobel Prizes!

Posted by: cubed at January 12, 2005 2:25 PM
Paula, perhaps you’d better not send aid either to the Buddhists as the New York Times has reported that militant Buddhists in Sri Lanka have torched and destroyed hundreds of Churches.

Also, I think Australia can probably afford the aid as it has managed to grab 82% of the share of oil that East Timor produces, leaving the Timorese with 18%

Posted by: whitequeen at January 14, 2005 7:55 AM
For decades the Muslim Malaysians have been slinging mud at Australia, now when their Muslim neighbours are in troble, how much did they donate? Less than 10 million (A$)! Australia has donated a billion (A$). They can build the world’s tallest building, call themselves a “Tiger Economy” and whip up hatred against Australia, but when it comes to helping their “brother Muslims”, where are they?

As far as East Timor owning 18% of the oil, that’s because 82% of it is on Australian land.

Posted by: Timbo at January 14, 2005 8:34 PM

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