WARNING BATAK ISLAM FROM TAPSEL SOUTH BATAK LAND.LUBIS AND GINTING REGAR NASUTION ETC.ADVOCATING TO KILL PEOPLE.DUMB ASS UNEDUCATED BATAK ISLAM

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:1mH_ocVDGzf2tM:http://swaramuslim.net/images/uploads/islam/sekte/anti_ahmadiyah-01-1b.jpghttp://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:tymTcCSvqjCrxM:http://tinypic.com/dffvir.jpgFPI/Front Pembela Islam preacher Ahmad Sobri Lubis advocating murder.

The speech about the Ahmadiyah sect given by Ahmad Sobri Lubis to a gathering of the Islam Defenders’ Front/Front Pembela Islam (FPI) in which he makes several incitements to murder.

Tags: Ahmad Sobri Lubis, Ahmadiyah, FPI, Front Pembela Islam, Islam, Islam Defenders Front, Islamic Defenders Front, Muslim, Speeches, Videos

45 Comments on “FPI Murder Incitement Video”
tomaculum Says:

May 2nd, 2008 at 12:00 pm
In other “less” civilized states (a. e. in Europe, where “barbarian” people live) such call to kill others would be strictly persecuted.
But Indonesia seems to be more and more developed to be a lawless country.
Such groups like FPI, such people like the orator in this video can freely speak out whatever they want. Democracy? In Indonesia? I would laugh if it isn’t a serious matter.
Why can they do it?
Because the persons in the government or police responsible for executing the “earthen” law are either the same opinion with them or they are afraid of their (FPI’s) threat.
It amuses me again and again to watch their dress code. It is like watching wayang orang, it sounds like Pandita Durna talking to Kaum Kurawa.

sputjam Says:

May 2nd, 2008 at 2:16 pm
What reason do these people have to hear a religious imam? God give them thoughts, so they can differentiate between good and bad. This priest is like clinton, whereby they earn money by making speeches and giving talks. By not going to the sermon, the imam will be forced to retire and do proper productive work instead.
Muslims are wasting their time in mosque and listening to wasteful speeches and sermons.
The best amongst mankind are the doers of good deeds and the righteous. Not those who spend time doing wasteful rituals.
Good and rightous deeds are clearly defined in the koran. None states that you need a priests to guide you, nor maximise the number of worship rituals you require to perform.

adrey Says:

May 2nd, 2008 at 4:18 pm
FPI should go to hell by murdering any Indonesians!

Deng Xiao Ping Says:

May 2nd, 2008 at 5:39 pm
jij … we must block this FPI video, similar to the Indonesian reaction against Greet Wilders’ anti Islam video ….
Indonesia is a peaceful & full of tollerant country with the highest diversity & respect to multi-culturalism

Andrew Says:

May 2nd, 2008 at 10:02 pm
LOL – looks like you can do and say anything in Indonesia – even if that means insulting and threatening fellow muslims – as long as you say “I do it for Islam”.

I sometimes wonder the difference between these maggots and PKI…
I know, that’s an insult… to PKI.

Mach Jabber Says:

May 2nd, 2008 at 10:12 pm
Please, shut these guys up. Everyone; Indonesians, bules, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, atheists, agnostics, businesspersons, housewives, students, Manchester United fans, Chelsea fans, Arsenal fans, *everyone* is fed up with them.

timdog Says:

May 2nd, 2008 at 10:31 pm
Had you noticed the way that Lubis doesn’t perform like an imam – he has clearly been heavily influenced by TV chatshow hosts and comedians in the way he carries himself, the way he moves and works the crowd, the way he delivers the “funnies”… he reminds me of Tukul! I’m serious, he really does – only more laughable – and less funny…

Patung Says:

May 2nd, 2008 at 11:38 pm
He struck me in the video as a preposterous fool, only vaguely threatening, even his “Allahu Akbar”s were unconvincing. In the right mouth “Allahu Akbar” can be blood curdling, because then it doesn’t really mean “God is Great/er”, it means “we are great”. He ought to take some lessons from that Iraqi fellow here. Or yes just go the Tukul comedian route.

sputjam Says:

May 3rd, 2008 at 6:57 am
God, The Judge, the Merciful, the Almighty, are some of the terms used in the koranic text to describe God.
Allahu akbar was never mentioned in the koran. How it got to be used so widely is a mystery.

Mach Jabber Says:

May 3rd, 2008 at 1:58 pm
I’m serious, he really does – only more laughable – and less funny…

Very much less. I winced at his “holol” gag at 2:18.

Rob Says:

May 4th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Killing in the name of religion…I have always been taught that God is a God of peace, love, harmony, and respect, but not a God of hate and venegance…How wrong it seems my lessons have been!

I am sure I read some where that Islam was a religion of tolerance and peace…I guess I must have been reading the wrong book when I should have been watching the clip attached to this entry to get my education on these important matters!

Rob Says:

May 4th, 2008 at 10:55 am
The Tukul analogy here is scary in itself because there is no humor in this clip (and any attempt at it is poor at best). Further, the clip is just not funny either…

There are some interesting issues that the government seems to have been particularly silent on such as the incitement to violence, the incitement to murder, the incitement to rail against law and order…the response against Geert Wilders film was swift albeit mere lip service to an idea of banning the video…I wonder is the government’s silence here tantamount to acceptance of the FPI’s call to violence?

If it is not then the government must act decisively to ensure that no violence is perpetrated against the followers of the Ahmadiyya sect. Violence begets more violence and an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind!

If the government’s position is that the sect is dangerous then the government must make that position clear and the reasons for the assessment public. Yet, there needs to be consistency when evaluating whether a belief system is a religion or a sect! Let’s face it if the word of God as lived through the Ministry of Jesus is Catholicism then all other Christian religions are in effect sects, and perhaps dangerous sects in terms of the true message of God as relayed through Jesus.

But that is an assumption because after all Jesus was King of the Jews, and the Jews have been subject to the wroth of God every since their betrayal and complicity in the murder of Jesus (although this did conveniently fulfill the prophecies of the scriptures).

The point is where to we draw the line in the sand and who is to make these determinations regarding sects, their teachings, and the danger factor to the greater community; those with a vested interest in the outcome?

The call to violence and murder is wrong! Muslims should renounce this call! Before you get to the jumping up and down mode, I would say (and write) the same thing for any religion that uses violence to achieve an outcome! Pre-emptive assassinations and murders orchestrated by Israel are also wrong and Israelis’ should also come out against those that promote this as an effective way to counter violence.

Am I soft? No, but I genuinely believe in peace and harmony! I want my child to live in a world that is at peace. Do I accept that there are vested interests who profit from war and conflict, yes! But that does not mean that people should lose hope and not dream of a better world.

Hitam Tapi Cina Says:

May 4th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
It is sad but also amusing.
This video is a wakeup call for all moderate people, whatever their religion are especially in Indonesia, to setup a litigation case or a class action for those who call upon others to act violently against others e.g. FPI, Bashir.

Another sad thing is that violence in Indonesia will only harm Indonesia’s economy which mean you will all suffer more economically in these difficult time.

Farah Says:

May 4th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
….its pathetic killing in the name of a certain religion, they just some phsyco try to made their sadistic killing “hobbies” is the true way, and sound scarily good.
Even in a moslem war where you could kill someone, there’s rules (e.g not to kill children or woman). They just bunch of sick people.

fahri Says:

May 4th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
In the interest of objectivity, we have to notice that he qualify his statement by:
“If/when the government is based on Islam..”
Islamic law does have some harsh rules against heresy.

Tony Says:

May 5th, 2008 at 12:38 am
Where is Soeharto when you need him?? He would have had Prabowo “erase” these idiots from the planet. These morons are the last thing Indonesia needs right now.

Big White Infidel Says:

May 5th, 2008 at 9:02 am
I think it’s pretty obvious what the Indonesian government’s stance is towards groups like FPI, MMI, Hizbut Tahrir, Laskar Jihad in Papua and the like. The lack of punishment for groups like this, Jusuf Kalla’s interview in AKI Adnkronos stating that there is no Jemaah Islamiyah, etc. shows that moderate and liberal Islam along with the infidels are sh*t out of luck as far as protection goes against these terrorists. For whatever reason, the government supports or sides with these idiots, or something would be done already. I agree with Tony, as much as I hated Soeharto, he would have made these terrorists disappear.

The Islamification of Indonesia is under way and the government, which is supposedly moderate, is doing nothing to stop it. Pancasila is being undermined by Shariah at local levels and soon at provincial levels (Aceh already, Jawa Barat next?). Unless these groups are stopped and the anti-Pancasila government members are outed and dealt with, this country we live in is truly about to go to hell in a handbasket.

Patung, I can’t see the video (not that I need to to know what was said).

therry Says:

May 5th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
I regret watching that clip – on top of all the personal problems that I have now I have to worry that these people actually exist and that there are people who listen to idiots like Ahmad Sobri Lubis.

What with all the killing urgencies he keeps repeating to his audience, I can’t shake off the thought that FPI is actually the one who did the unthinkable crimes back in May 98.

Why? Because they have the same sick mentality and depravity that reflects to everything they say and do. “Kill! Demonstration! It’s okay to kill! Kill everyone!”

I mean what kind of sick fucks would say stuff like that out loud and actually urge others to do the same? That’s the same heartless people who raped 14 years old girl day in day out in front of their own families.

Someone should eliminate FPI. Let’s all gather some money and hire the best snipers to kill this guys.

therry Says:

May 5th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
I regret watching that clip – on top of all the personal problems that I have now I have to worry that these people actually exist and that there are people who listen to idiots like Ahmad Sobri Lubis.

What with all the killing urgencies he keeps repeating to his audience, I can’t shake off the thought that FPI is actually the one who did the unthinkable crimes back in May 98.

Why? Because they have the same sick mentality and depravity that reflects to everything they say and do. “Kill! Demonstration! It’s okay to kill! Kill everyone!”

I mean what kind of sick fucks would say stuff like that out loud and actually urge others to do the same? That’s the same heartless people who raped 14 years old girl day in day out in front of their own families.

Someone should eliminate FPI. Let’s all gather some money and hire the best snipers to kill these guys.

violet Says:

May 5th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
I can not see the video either.

dewaratugedeanom Says:

May 5th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Patung said

In the right mouth “Allahu Akbar” can be blood curdling, because then it doesn’t really mean “God is Great/er”, it means “we are great”.

Something to think about seriously and elaborate, even devote an entire topic to it.

Patung Says:

May 5th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
For those who can’t see the video, try directly at youtube – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7RLCXNdKF4

Yadi Says:

May 6th, 2008 at 6:26 am
May be we should look at ourselves and the way we are behaving before we start killing and persercuting others then once we are perfect then we can start to comment. …….I say……………
“live and let live” unless they(almadiyah) start killing and persercuting others. “hello it is meant to be a free country now”

Janma Says:

May 6th, 2008 at 9:54 am
“hello it is meant to be a free country now”

..I think that ‘freedom’ is variously misinterpreted by people. For example FPI now feels free to do their thing, as do the FBR and other radical groups. My mother in law told me that in 1945 when the shout ‘Merdeka!’ went up, she was only a kid but she remembers that everyone just went beserk, started looting chinese stores, burining buildings and generally running amok. To many that was freedom, problem is if you are the store owner being burnt up with your store freedom can be a pain in the neck.

Purba Negoro Says:

May 6th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Janma-

The French hanged their Collaborators- why can’t we dispose of ours?

Why did these Rakyat burn the stores?
Collaboration?
Informing?
Price gouging?
Hoarding?
Predatory usuary?
Clannism?

Pramoedya Ananta Toer:

“With the arrival of the Japanese just about everyone was full of hope, except for those who had worked in the service of the Dutch.”

Finally you are revealed to be enemy of the Rakyat.

Your agenda of slandering Indonesia is very clear.

My father was a PETA pemuda, and a very fierce enforcer of kedaulatan rakyat.

Do just deserts taste bitter?

Lairedion Says:

May 6th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Purba Negoro said:

The French hanged their Collaborators- why can’t we dispose of ours

Good idea. This way we can get rid of our Sundanese/Javanese royal courts who were quick to prostitute themselves to the VOC and its successor the Dutch State at the expense of the local have-nots.

Patung Says:

May 7th, 2008 at 12:11 am
Habib Riziq of the FPI is saying he will “deal with” the preachers who said “provocative” things in the video. And also that he has been to the police and wants to have those who are spreading the video on the internet prosecuted because they don’t own the rights to it. kompas.

Yadi Says:

May 7th, 2008 at 10:01 am
..I think that ‘freedom’ is variously misinterpreted by people.

Freedom = to be free of any wrong doings
which allows the rest of us to be free in return

so to all you violent minority haters who disrepect other peoples Traditions and cultures
………………………… “what is so hard about doing that ” ……………. Hello thats Freedom

janma Says:

May 7th, 2008 at 10:07 am
The French hanged their Collaborators- why can’t we dispose of ours?

Why did these Rakyat burn the stores?
Collaboration?
Informing?
Price gouging?
Hoarding?
Predatory usuary?
Clannism?

awww… diddums PN…… they killed, why can’t we kill….. whine whine whine….. and as for the rakyat burning the stores, maybe that was greed, clannisim, hatred and jealousy? As far as I know collaborating with the dutch wasn’t the sole perogative of the chinese. soeharto served in knil as did many other ‘heroes of the revolution’…. and you still haven’t admitted that many of the heroes of indonesian independence were chinese indonesians….. but if I’m messing with your right to hate, please forgive me, I mean you should be allowed, it’s only fair.

Andy Says:

May 7th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
What I find amusing about these clowns is that whenever they make threats against anyone, they have to cover up and not show themselves. Just goes to show they are true cowards. Would like to see them front up to anyone one on one with someone they disagree with. Total scum they are.

Abdul Khalid al Jumhuri Says:

May 8th, 2008 at 2:04 am
In person, these bunch of morons are the same ones whose a$$ still stucked with our boots when they tried to mess up with our rightful cafes in Kemang some years back. They love to blow lots of hot airs and their mouths are full with venomous agitation so virulent because of their inability to healthily vent out their frustration for being morons.

The level headed Indonesians will think more on how we could cope (as a nation) with the continued weakening of the US$, the skyrocketing oil price (US$122/barrel – quoted price of today), te sustainability of our domestic stapple food (rice) production, and keeping the population growth under control (now still slightly below 2%) – which will still double our population in 36 years.

Given the current map of Indonesian politics, my take is that this Lubis guy is in the payroll of someone, who will benefit of the chaos he attempted to create. These outfits or persons are so politically horny to grab the presidential seat in the next year’s election, and they are so experienced in creating chaos. Any clue who they are?

Rambutan Says:

May 8th, 2008 at 9:28 am
Habib Riziq of the FPI is saying he will “deal with” the preachers who said “provocative” things in the video. And also that he has been to the police and wants to have those who are spreading the video on the internet prosecuted because they don’t own the rights to it. kompas.

Yep, and he said the ‘anarchic’ behaviour of FPI is a thing of the past. Somehow, I have difficulties believing this.

jaka Says:

May 8th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
And despite critics everywhere on this speech, he is still around and spreading his hatred. Oh, how I love my government. (If somebody should report the police because he spreads hatred – which is against the criminal law – why nobody does that? funny. Or is it actually ‘just for fun’?)

Andy Says:

May 9th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Trouble is the ‘moderate’ Indonesians won’t stand up to these thugs and also won’t condemn them in front of foreigners. Until they have the guts to say what is right and wrong, they will continue on their merry way.

Enigmatic Says:

May 11th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Video is an insult to Islam. And to our intelligence. And to think it goes on openly. What the heck is the Government doing?

Even Malaysia or Singapore won’t allow this…

Just one reason why I’m staying away from the country and study in Singapore.

Yet here we are, listening to all this crap. Burn the Istana? Kill the Vice Pres and President? This is madness.

The Indonesian Government better know what to do. If not, anyone with the Death Note or some ancient curse that can kill mysteriously best take out these idiots.

Oh, the perils of indifference.

Trouble is the ‘moderate’ Indonesians won’t stand up to these thugs and also won’t condemn them in front of foreigners. Until they have the guts to say what is right and wrong, they will continue on their merry way.

Well problem is no one dares. Seriously. Besides if FPI were disbanded, imagine the consequences… Think protests, riots, etc…

Enigmatic Says:

May 11th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
On a side note, the guy in white in the picture looks like a Stormtrooper in Hoth from Star Wars doesn’t he?

Deng Xiao Phing Says:

May 11th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
majority muslim don’t care about living progression, economy & prosperity like kyai Bashyir’s lecturers. So what can you do ? this country will never prosper because of the majority adopting backward ideology. The only way to cure the recent caotic islamic affairs in Indonesia, we must let them destroy & killing each other one more round, we will watch & see who will be the winner.
We only need 1 dominant muslim winner to calm our local islamic affairs, today we have too many muslim ideology versions, confuse & waste of time, then hopefully this country will proceed business as usual peacefully. In the meantime, if u don’t like to see them AMOK & killing each other, you better stay away from Indon. If they keep on killing each other like chickens then you better return back your green passport to the nearest embassy Indon, full stop

Patung Says:

May 24th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Given the current map of Indonesian politics, my take is that this Lubis guy is in the payroll of someone, who will benefit of the chaos he attempted to create. These outfits or persons are so politically horny to grab the presidential seat in the next year’s election, and they are so experienced in creating chaos. Any clue who they are?

It’s kind of old news but Gus Dur has brought it up again – Wiranto.

deny sunarso Says:

June 2nd, 2008 at 5:02 pm
They are uneducated.

Silveraethania Says:

June 4th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
FPI must be “bubar”.fuck fpi

orange juice Says:

June 18th, 2008 at 6:08 am
Actually these people are required to maintain balance in indonesia, they provoke others to see islam differently (negatively), therefore it somehow holds down islam movement and progress in indonesia, and thus maintain indonesian neutral status.. I wouldn’t be worried that they’ll grow big, they won’t, they are actually just really small group compare to those who oppose them.. they seem big because the media blow them up.. (fortunately) negatively.

Furthermore, it is already a publicly kept secret that the brain behind this group is actually just bunch of military thugs, and in addition to using this group to (surprisingly) somehow control national stability (thru chaos), they’re also using them (along with fbr, pp, and other fanatic mass organizations) to raise “security funds”.

If you travel to jakarta, the very home of this group, go sightseeing at night to certain (obvious) red light area, you will find that all those gambling, drugs, alcohol, prostitution etc. are still easily available to anyone, even in ramadhan, even with the ongoing news of fpi raiding places in jakarta.

Those who got raid are actually just those who can’t afford to or simply won’t contribute to the security funds or just those who are too big to go unnoticed (of course they’ll be warned and be included in the raid planning and be back in business in 2 or 3 days).. you’ll see this kind of story every now and then here.

This truly is a corrupted country.

YOGYAKARTA, Indonesia – Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono has come under pressure from hardliner Islamic groups to ban the peaceful Islamic Ahmadiyah sect.

Recently the government’s “Coordinating Board for Monitoring Mystical Beliefs in Society” (BAKORPAKEM) issued a recommendation to ban the sect, rekindling the wrath of the extremists against the Ahmadiyah. The board, set up by the late dictator Suharto, is made up of senior officials from the attorney general’s office, the Department of Religious Affairs, the Home Office and the National Police.

On April 20, 2008, around 2,000 people gathered at the presidential palace in Jakarta, demanding that the President outlaw the sect and seize its assets.

The demonizing of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1839-1908), who founded the sect in India in 1889, has been ongoing since 1980, when the Indonesian Council of Ulama (MUI), issued a fatwa condemning the group as deviant.

Human rights groups in Jakarta recently screened a videotape of the Islam Defenders Front (FPI) Secretary General Sobri Lubis, urging followers to kill Ahmadiyah members. In the past the FPI has been in the forefront of violent and public attacks in the name of Islam.

“We will wage war against Ahmadiyah! Kill Ahmadiyah! Kill! Kill! Kill!” Lubis said in the video to applause from those attending his sermon. “And if they say we are violating human rights, then I say damn human rights.”

Early on the morning of April 28, 2008, the threats were made true. A mosque and a school in an Ahmadiyah complex in Sukabumi, west Java, were torched by a 300-strong mob, which was whipped into a frenzy by a group that called itself the Jamaah Al Mubalighin Communication Forum. They shouted: “Kill! Kill! Kill!” as they attacked.

The Ahmadiyah faithful had vacated the complex and no one was hurt, but a member of the police force, who arrived late and undermanned, was injured. The police made a number of arrests and have charged five people in relation to the arson.

Ahmadiyah spokesman Syamsir Ali has called on the President not to bow to the hardliners’ demands. “Today it is Ahmadiyah, but later many more groups will be targeted,” he warned.

Yudhoyono is receiving conflicting advice.

Adnan Buyung Nasution, a respected lawyer and presidential advisor, has called on the President to uphold the constitution and protect the rights of minorities.

Hatta Radjasa, the President’s cabinet secretary, dodged journalists’ questions about when the President was going to follow up on the recommendation to ban the sect, but he claimed that ministers were drafting a ban.

Parliament Speaker Agung Laksono said that the security forces should make more effort to protect the mosques and the property of the Ahmadiyah.

There are approximately 200,000 Ahmadiyah followers who have been living peacefully here since 1925, when the country was still a Dutch colony. Ahmadiyah members played a role in Indonesia’s struggle for independence.

If the bullying of Ahmadiyah succeeds, the hardliners will turn their attention to other minorities. The MUI has issued fatwas condemning Liberal Islam, Pluralist Islam, and Secular Islam as being deviant. In the past, the FPI has attempted to attack the headquarters of the Liberal Islam Network (JIL) in Jakarta, but their band of thugs retreated when the locals who didn’t appreciate vigilantes in their neighborhood stood up to them with their fists.

The prolonged conflict in Afghanistan and Iraq creates a wide audience for violent Islamist ideas. Al Qaeda jihadi videos and books can be obtained freely and easily here. Several magazines promote the idea of a global jihad against the kuffar in the United States and Great Britain, and groups that are branded deviant are said to be “made in the UK or the USA.”

Convicted but defiant terrorists write opinion pieces in national broadsheets. Preachers travel the country to inspire hatred of Jews, Christians and the West, demanding that the sharia law be implemented by the State, especially the hudud aspect of the law: lashes for drunks, amputation for thieves, beheading for apostates and stoning for adulterers. Organizations like the Nahdlatul Ulama and the Muhammadiyah, both known for their moderate views, have lately made statements in agreement with the hardliners’ positions.

The only Islamic organization actively debating extremists is JIL, which has been condemned as deviant and is widely discredited for receiving support from the United States. Scholars tarnish their reputation when they receive American money or pursue political ambitions like ex-President Abdurrahman Wahid did. Wahid, a moderate, was once considered by followers to be an Islamic wali – “friend of God.” But his influence has greatly diminished now.

In the raging battle for the soul of Islam in Indonesia, hardliners need only the Internet to help their recruitment and propaganda. The liberal and moderate Muslims, on the other hand, need truly spiritual leaders. Sadly, it appears there are currently none.

One Response to “WARNING BATAK ISLAM FROM TAPSEL SOUTH BATAK LAND.LUBIS AND GINTING REGAR NASUTION ETC.ADVOCATING TO KILL PEOPLE.DUMB ASS UNEDUCATED BATAK ISLAM”

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