WHO IS REALLY STUPID?JAVANESE OR BATAK PEOPLE?or just about nearly equal?they are all corrupt now adays.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:AJE9fSAkPGEgqM:http://bp1.blogger.com/_QpST17K3B8A/R8wikvsZikI/AAAAAAAAAI4/PKRy7FFWcmc/s320/JustinMott_JavaneseMystici%2Bcopy.jpghttp://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:acS9LGFaYKnUGM:http://xpatindo.com/images/crazy_javanese_drivers.jpgThe Javanese are stupid hypocritical liars, among other things, as Javanese culture comes in for some stinging criticism.

A seminar held by Suara Merdeka newspaper in Semarang, Central Java, with the title “Jawa dalam Kritik”, saw four analysts, Abdul Munir Mulkhan, Mohamad Sobary, Sutanto Mendut, and Suwardi Endraswara, give traditional Javanese culture a good belting.

Suwardi Endraswara got the ball rolling by describing Javanese people as jelek, no good. According to him the Javanese were stupid, deceptive, hypocritical, stubborn, vengeful, and spiteful, among other unlovely traits. As an example of all these faults rolled into one he cited a Javanese phrase that was often spoken by former president Suharto, mikul dhuwur mendhem jero, which means that one must always respect one’s elders and keep the knowledge of their faults to oneself. The effect of this attitude in practice, he said, was that the faults, stupidities, and crimes of one’s elders, and leaders, were kept in the dark and could not be spoken about, out of respect.

The hypocrisy of the Javanese could further be seen not only in their words. They speak well, they claim to uphold good moral values, but their actions reveal their hypocrisy, particularly in the area of carrying on hidden adulterous affairs.

Mohamad Sobary said that the movement of Javanese into cities had not gone well. Life in an urban environment was a struggle for survival and those who failed often took a perverse pleasure in their own failure. Sobary went on to say that Javanese culture was in a terrible crisis and needed to be saved.

Meanwhile Abdul Munir Mulkhan spoke of the irony that today, while many foreigners came to Java to study the culture, Javanese people themselves were losing their identity and couldn’t even read and write in their own language.

Tanto Mendut said that Java was not really a place anymore, it was extra-territorial, an idea. That’s why he hadn’t minded handing over a collection of keris swords and gamelan instruments to a professor in Poland. He then complained that the Javanese were anti-egalitarian and lived unnaturally, not based on true feelings, not from the soul.

Those who responded to these harsh criticisms said the speakers were being too one-sided, Javanese culture also had positive qualities. One unique feature of Javanese civilisation, said one, was its spirituality.

Another person complained that if one is going to criticise Javanese culture then one should also do the same for Western or Hindu culture. [1]

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13 Comments on “Javanese Culture”
jp Says:

December 10th, 2006 at 10:21 pm
Hmm, menarik banget, but we’ve known for years now that the cultures of the world have been disappearing like felled trees. The 1960s saw the US and Europe in the grips of major youth movements that sought to challenge the exact attitude that the above-quoted Soeharto reference represents. The fall of the Iron Curtain similarly ushered in an area of criticism and cultural liberalism for dozens of countries. Even in Jawa’s neighboring island of Bali youth culture is just beginning to challenge what are, or were, perceived as cultural ‘givens’, such as the philosophical pillars of the Ajeg Bali movement; many underground punk and art shows in Denpasar use these ‘givens’ (cultural ‘terms of reference’) as points of creative and critical departure. If considerations like these occur globally, why does Jawa deserve particular attention? Are the Javanese any more “stupid, deceptive, hypocritical, stubborn, vengeful” than Quechua Bolivians, the Manggarai of west Flores, the Saami of northern Finland, or Balinese Hindus? I’m not trying to be a cultural relavist (as in: being stupid is okay as long as it’s unique) but what I am saying is that this is nothing new, and the Javanese are certainly no more backward than the Batak, or indeed, most Texans.

kris Says:

December 11th, 2006 at 2:24 am
Hi, first of all, I’m a javanese…for me I would just take this criticism with a pinch of salt. Perhaps the seminar organisers didn’t mean to undermine Javanese culture nor its people.

However, if this seminar was a serious one, I’d say that their statements/prejudice/generalizations/conclusions against javanese culture were controversial if not unfounded.

Most civilized culture are good. A sample of bad prominent figure or even a phrase from a culture doesn’t warrant a generalization. An educated person would not be so quick in making such a criticism on an established civilization like javanese.

for the record,I’m pure Javanese…living away from home for almost 10 years, i can still sing ‘mocopat’ like ‘bapak pocung’, i still know how to wear ‘jarik’, i can still write ‘ha – na – ca – ra – ka’ (Javanese writing), i can still speak all three level of its language (’ngoko, krama and krama inggil’).

I’m sure there are lots of other Javanese who can still do so. again I think it’s utterly wrong to judge a culture without doing a thorough research and study.

And everytime i go back to my hometown, i can always expect warm feeling that i got from my neighbors, their smiley faces, their considerate manners, their gotong-royong spirit, and their fervor in holding on to their rich culture.


Tomaculum Says:

December 11th, 2006 at 3:40 am
This is Indonesia. Every one think she/he has to issue any statement, never mind if she/he has any qualification to do it or not. The result is often dingy and embarassing, like a niffy flatus in a crowd.

Rudy Hendra Says:

December 14th, 2006 at 4:16 pm
I am a Purchaser in a company in Jakarta.

I have a Javanese supplier.
This one man is very stubborn, and also have a nerd nationality-feeling.
We judge suppliers according to their quality of goods and service, term of payment, etc.
When I was new here, he approach me and told me not to buy from Singapore supplier. He said that if we buy from Singapore supplier, then the Singaporean will eat, he doesn’t get the order, he doesn’t eat.

He never try to compete with other supplier. Just want to be helped… helped… helped… Just like a beggar. And when we don’t help him, he talked to my boss and convince my boss to give him an order.

Other supplier (especially Chinese supplier) ’serve’ us. They take care of our problems. They solve problems. They are quick in their actions.
The Javanese supplier act like he is the boss, and we, the buyer, are like his servants.
He is not moving if we don’t fax the inquiry to him.
In many things, problems are solved by voice communications, and when everything have been concluded, then we write it.
Sometimes, we need goods fast, urgently. Inquiry is conducted by phone.
This one won’t move if he don’t get written note.

Bad culture.
Have no idea why my boss still want this supplier.

Dimp Says:

December 14th, 2006 at 5:47 pm
Hi Rudy,

Just because there is a bad apple, doesn’t mean that you can say the whole harvest has gone bad.

You can always find bad apple in any culture, and you can always find a good one in every culture.

If you find a bad apple then just don’t eat it, don’t throw away the whole batch, you can always find a good use for a bad apple anyway.

Kris Says:

December 15th, 2006 at 1:59 am
Hi Rudy,

As it has nicely been put by Dimp, a culture can’t be defined by the traits of one single person from that respective civilization. Please widen up your perspective and be objective.

I now live in Novena – Singapore, and it’s obvious from my point of view here that not all Singaporeans have the same good qualities that you’ve described. Some are good, some are bad. And please if you really want to know Javanese culture, visit any of the country sides in Java…ambarawa, magelang, sleman, klaten or anywhere you wish, I bet my last dollar that you’ll have a totally different perception on Javanese culture.


Cukurungan Says:

December 15th, 2006 at 1:37 pm
Javanese Culture consits of tree sentence :
asal “ono beras, awake waras, manuke bergas” every thing will be OK. The most javanese people only need very simple live, as long as the javanese can eat, not sick and can make love every thing will be ok. Most of them don’t care with corruption, democracy or human rights bullshiet.

so anyone Indonesia Leader can not maintained those simple need Javanese people will be finished and game over.

DianDoank Says:

December 15th, 2006 at 8:06 pm
Well Cukurungan.

Too bad, when a leader (everywhere in the world) can not provide those basic needs such as food, health and well in Javanese case make love (as you stated) then it always a fragile situation for those leader to maintain their position.

I mean how one can think of democracy and human rights when the basic needs were not provided?

Even the French revolution basically not because the people (except the leaders) think primarily about the idea behind democracy but because there’s no food! And if you want to look on another culture, one can say that Padangnese or those Indonesia-chinese are stingy, Bataks talked too much and et cetera et cetera, but is that really true? I think it just a stamp to these tribes caused of what Dimp said bad apple.

aniza Says:

January 13th, 2007 at 6:05 pm
hi all,
i can consider myself a Javanese as my late mother was a Javanese.I’m a Singaporean at birth and my late mum used to tell me not to forget my javanese roots as my forefathers, late grandfather a Javanese sailor(from Solo) came to Singapore to search for a living.

Do not consider all Javanese bad.Merely,they are preserving the traditions and culture taht has been around for decades that’s all.

Shiva Says:

June 28th, 2007 at 10:58 am
Strange to see that two of the four analysts, Abdul Munir Mulkhan, Mohamad Sobary, have forsaken their Javanese heritage, and as their names suggest, they have adopted a culture/religion that has nothing to do with Java.

It is odd that they have adopted a religious culture that has a historic legacy, of ignorance, fanaticism, and narrow-mindedness, and then criticize the true Javanese.

These men should remember the spirit of Gajah Mada, not an Arabian belief. This men should remember they are Javanese, not Arabs.

These men are selling out their heritage, and enabling the Arabization of Java.

Javanese should not become another lost culture.

Susan Espinoza Says:

October 25th, 2007 at 3:14 am
In relation to the Javanese “losing” their culture, I’m curious about the language factor. Do most native Javanese understand Indonesian, the official language? What percentage would you say do not understand Indonesian?

aniza Says:

October 25th, 2007 at 6:30 pm
In relation to the Javanese “losing” their culture, I’m curious about the language factor. Do most native Javanese understand Indonesian, the official language? What percentage would you say do not understand Indonesian?

I would say the native of Javanese that is an Indonesian and staying in Java or any other parts of Indonesia understand the language and how many percentage of that should be the majority of course BUT a Javanese to understand the JAVANESE language is I HAVE NO IDEA….whether they are residing in INdonesia or other south-east asian countries…
For the case of here in s’pore, I can say from what i know and the latest statistic more than half of Malay s’poreans have their roots originated from Java Island…and i can say less than half of them can understand Javanese language and that include my late mother and some of my uncles….

GunDhul Says:

January 7th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Ajining dhiri ana ing lathi – ajining salira ana ing busana, is an old Javanese wisdom about the way we should lead our lives meaning that a person’s self worth comes from the strength of their words and a person’s greatness comes from their attire. Consequently the life and truth that we pursue is an indication of the faith of the outside world in us. Art is an illusion and the clothes that I wear to express my intellectual and emotional milieu relate both to my outer and inner world.



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